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Kate Sheppard  of The Huffington Post reports that Nebraska Utility Is Phasing Out Some Coal Units, And It Won't Cost That Much. The Omaha Public Power District in Nebraska will shut down three coal powered electrical generation units in the next two years and phase two other into using natural gas withing in a decade, a spokesperson for the utility said this yesterday.  

The three coal units will be retired by 2016, the public utility said. Another two units at that plant will get updated pollution controls by 2016 as well, and will transition to burning natural gas by 2023. OPPD will similarly retrofit its Nebraska City coal-fired station and implement new energy-efficiency programs to reduce demand.
These changes will reduced greenhouse gas emissions by 49%, cut nitrogen emissions by 74%, and sulfur oxide by 68%. Exactly, the goals of President Obama's recently announced proposed goals by the EPA for reduced carbon emissions, with a bonus of the reduction of the other pollutants.

The utility said it was responding to "customer opinions."

And, what kind of economic pain and disaster will this cost the rate payer of Nebraska?

Well, after several weeks of "the sky is falling" kind of predictions that the EPA's carbon rules will make "energy unaffordable in the state, and even just this Tuesday"  

In a House Energy and Commerce Committee hearing on Thursday morning, Rep. Lee Terry (R-Neb.) said that members of the board of directors at OPPD and the Nebraska Public Power District have told him that "the only conclusion they've come to so far is that it's gonna cost them, quote, 'a hell of a lot of money,' end quote."

But OPPD said Thursday that its plan to phase out coal "is only slightly more expensive than if we didn’t change our current generation portfolio to adapt to future regulations." Rates for consumers are expected to increase between 0 and 2 percent under the plan.

Ken Winston, of the Nebraska Sierra Club, set this is a big deal, and the fact that the utility admitted this was their lest expensive option undercuts the industry's major talking points, "that this is going to cost more, that it's going to cost jobs."

All Democrats and opponents of global warming should memorize this case and point out that not only did we will get a vast reduction of carbon emission for a negligible amount of cost but also a vast reduction of two of the most noxious atmospheric pollutants around. This would have been worth doing just to achieve the 74% reduction of nitrogen, and 68% reduction of sulfur oxide.

We should all call our local utility and ask if we have any coal plants we can shut down now. Why wait for the EPA regulations? Deal like this are too good to wait for. Spread the good news.

Originally posted to SciTech on Fri Jun 20, 2014 at 08:46 AM PDT.

Also republished by PostHuffPost: Connection-Conversation-Community , Kosowatt, Climate Change SOS, and Good News.

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  •  Doesn't sound like a whole lotta kicking and (12+ / 0-)

    screaming.

  •  looking for Nebraska wind news (23+ / 0-)

    since I figured it would be more wind than solar. (Unrelated to this news, I think, since they're talking about switching to natural gas.)

    There's a wind farm, finishing in 2016, which is rated at 400MW. For context, the two largest solar in CA are at 550MW and most are much smaller.

    So they're building some big wind power farms there. (Although it sounds like the tax credit expiring in 2013 is a problem.)

  •  Nebraska Socialism (23+ / 0-)

    Nebraska governments own all of the energy generation in Nebraska.

    In this instance, the City of Omaha owns the utility that's closing the coal fired plants.

    However they are also running a nuke, and are adding gas-fired power plants.

    “The answer must be, I think, that beauty and grace are performed whether or not we will or sense them. The least we can do is try to be there.” ― Annie Dillard, Pilgrim at Tinker Creek

    by 6412093 on Fri Jun 20, 2014 at 09:13:10 AM PDT

  •  It always kills me (8+ / 0-)

    when someone trots out the "going to cost jobs" talking point. Yeah, it probably will - but, um, it will also create them. Why are these people so incapable of acknowledging the bottom line?

    "Tea is soothing. I wish to be tense." - Rupert Giles

    by CelticOm on Fri Jun 20, 2014 at 09:14:13 AM PDT

    •  Niccolò Machiavelli (1+ / 0-)
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      It ought to be remembered that there is nothing more difficult to take in hand, more perilous to conduct, or more uncertain in its success, than to take the lead in the introduction of a new order of things. Because the innovator has for enemies all those who have done well under the old conditions, and lukewarm defenders in those who may do well under the new. This coolness arises partly from fear of the opponents, who have the laws on their side, and partly from the incredulity of men, who do not readily believe in new things until they have had a long experience of them.
      The wind and sun lobbies have nothing like the clout of the fossil carbon lobbies, and they cannot expect many votes from people whom they have not yet hired. Republicans can clamor about the War On Coal, but we do not clamor about the War on Our Grandchildren who have not yet been injured yet, because so many have not yet been born.

      Nevertheless, we are well into Grid Parity, with wind costing less than fossil carbon, and real money at stake in building new capacity in the energy industry. It is fast becoming impossible to get funding for new coal-fired plants in open financial markets without corrupt collusion from denialist governments in Red states. Soon even they will not be able to keep up the charade.

      I have been involved in fights against two coal gasification plants in Indiana. We currently have 1300 MW of wind energy installed, with 8000 MW more in the works. You can check out your state on the Natural Resources Defense Council's state profile pages.

      Back off, man. I'm a logician.—GOPBusters™

      by Mokurai on Fri Jun 20, 2014 at 01:18:16 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  They're out to scare people and "conserve" their (0+ / 0-)

      way of doing business.  They're not out to improve things, because that might mean change; change scares them.  They want to be the ones doing the scaring.

  •  "A hell of a lot of money"? (4+ / 0-)
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    Who could possibly imagine a Republican Representative would lie about anything?  Knock me over with a feather.

  •  Thanks for the links (16+ / 0-)

    I didn't realize what a big deal this is, until I looked at the details.

    The shut-down plants generate 2000 megawatts, and roughly 20 million tons/year of greenhouse gasses.

    They will also save 300 megawatts with energy conservation. That will require new jobs.

    Replacing coal with gas will require more than 2000 construction jobs for two years.

    This will also hurt coal prices.

    “The answer must be, I think, that beauty and grace are performed whether or not we will or sense them. The least we can do is try to be there.” ― Annie Dillard, Pilgrim at Tinker Creek

    by 6412093 on Fri Jun 20, 2014 at 09:24:24 AM PDT

  •  Excellent! (8+ / 0-)

    Not so hard after all!

    Here in Oregon, you'd think all our energy is clean hydropower (considering the problems of dams and salmon, not so clean); however, coal gives us over half our electricity!

    We also have a Blue Sky program, which raises a homeowner's bill by 10 bucks a month, where you can opt for clean energy. We are in it!

    We have it within our power to make the world over again ~ Thomas Paine

    by occupystephanie on Fri Jun 20, 2014 at 09:35:44 AM PDT

  •  Yes, stephanie (7+ / 0-)

    It's hard to bite my tongue and stop criticizing hydroelectric, since it's carbon-free power.  Just a few years ago I was in full  take-out-all-the-damn-dams mode.

    It was also an odd feeling years ago, when I stood on the high plains near Gillette, Wyoming, and looked at the power lines from those coal power plants with their tall stacks spewing smoke, knowing those lines reached thousands of miles to the horizon and beyond, and that was keeping the lights on in my Oregon home.

    “The answer must be, I think, that beauty and grace are performed whether or not we will or sense them. The least we can do is try to be there.” ― Annie Dillard, Pilgrim at Tinker Creek

    by 6412093 on Fri Jun 20, 2014 at 09:46:07 AM PDT

  •  don't Forget EL PASO Electric dumper Coal. (14+ / 0-)

    by 2016.

    http://www.triplepundit.com/...

    With a robust solar energy and natural gas portfolio, El Paso Electric expects to wean itself from coal in 2 years, providing cleaner power to its 395,000 residential and commercial customers in Texas. By the end of the year, solar energy will represent 6 percent of EPE’s generation sources, compared to 0.23 percent nationally.

    EPE signed a 20-year power purchase agreement (PPA) with the Macho Springs solar plant in New Mexico, on 500-acres of State Trust Land in Luna County. The 50 megawatt project supplies enough power for 18,000 homes and will displace more than 40,000 metric tons of CO2. Macho Springs was touted as a super cost-effective solar energy development, at a mere 5.79 cents per kilowatt-hour, and will be the largest in New Mexico. This is significant because the project is selling solar energy for about half of what is typical for such a project and for nearly the price of coal power — but with a 20-year purchase agreement.

    In addition, EPE signed a 30-year power purchase agreement with Newman Solar to build a 10 megawatt solar plant in El Paso, which should be online at the end of 2014. The utility also has a PPA with the Camino Real Landfill Gas to Energy facility, which plans to increase capacity from 1.5 megawatts to 3 megawatts in 2015.  EPE also plans to sells its 7 percent share (108 megawatts) in the coal-fired Four Corners Power Plant by its retirement date in 2016, making the utility coal-free.

    The wingnuts are blaming this on California.

    That El Paso sells electricity to California and isn't on the ERCOT grid, so, they have to do this.

  •  GOP Denial (6+ / 0-)

    Their Denial of even their own states energy companies is astounding.   Free-Market     Per Roll Call:  

    "We believe that the authority to limit carbon emissions, even if that were actually a necessity, rests in neither the Constitution nor the Clean Air Act but in the true free market of individual choices made by the American people," the letter, spearheaded by Rep. Jeff Duncan (R-S.C.) and signed by 84 House Republicans, states.
    Read more: http://thehill.com/...

        I am flummoxed - as these are the same folks who ran around demanding Constitution this and that - who knew that these lunk heads have an even "higher power" - MONEY!
       

  •  Nebraska is going green, however red they were (11+ / 0-)

    http://www.nrdc.org/...

    Wind Energy

    Nebraska has the 4th largest wind resource in the country, but with an installed capacity of just 294 megawatts -- enough to power about 80,000 homes -- Nebraska doesn’t even rank in the top 20 when it comes to wind energy production. The state is ramping up quickly, however, adding 60 megawatts in 2010 and more than 80 megawatts in the first quarter of 2011 alone.

    Biomass Energy and Cellulosic Ethanol

    All in all, Nebraska produces more than 11 million dry tons of biomass each year, making it one of the top ten biomass producers in the country.[8]

    In 2009, biomass generated more than 70 million kilowatt-hours of power in Nebraska -- enough to power more than 6,000 homes for the year. The state's biomass power generation has increased nearly 1,500 percent since 2001.[9]

    Solar Energy

    Nebraska Renewable Energy Systems, a manufacturing and consulting firm, points out that solar panels are the perfect complement to wind-energy systems, as windy and sunny weather rarely coincide. On display at the company's off-grid energy farm in Lyons are a solar shower, cooker, and 500-watt solar array mounted on a passive tracking device, which keeps the panel tilted toward the sun all day long.[17]

    Nebraska farms are ideal candidates for solar power installation. A 2003 study on a Nebraska cattle farm showed that solar energy can enhance livestock and crop management by creating free power for functions such as water pumping.[18]

    Daily Kos an oasis of truth. Truth that leads to action.

    by Shockwave on Fri Jun 20, 2014 at 10:04:43 AM PDT

  •  Oh, the humanity.... we might live on this planet (4+ / 0-)

    for longer if we keep up these rational acts.
    Thank you.

    "And all I ask is a merry yarn from a laughing fellow-rover, And quiet sleep and a sweet dream when the long trick’s over." - John Masefield

    by mungley on Fri Jun 20, 2014 at 10:15:48 AM PDT

  •  Good News from All Over (12+ / 0-)

    El Paso Electric , of West Texas serving 400,000 customers announced they will be coal-free by 2016.

    DTE Electric, Michigan's largest utility with 2.1 million customers, initiated plans to retire one-third of its coal fleet accounting for 2000MW of power to replaced by gas and a lot of Michigan Wind Power.

    And GDF SUez Energy North America will be closing its Mt. Tom plant, one of the last coal-burning plants in Massachusetts.  In 2006, Mt Tom Station put 1.1 million tons of CO2 into the atmosphere.  It will be permanently closed by October.  

    Oh and overseas, Australia's $10bn expansion of its export terminal to try and take a wider stake in the India coal market has officially been put ice due to lack of demand.

    The War on Coal continues.  Coal used to brag about the fact that it provided 41% of the electricity to the US.  As of May (PDF File) that is now under 28.5%.

    Красота спасет мир --F. Dostoevsky

    by Wisper on Fri Jun 20, 2014 at 10:18:40 AM PDT

    •  Houndog (7+ / 0-)

      I track coal news around the world every day.  If you are writing coal stories, ping me with a kosmail and I'll forward you the current links I've got stored up.  I always have PLENTY!

      Like...

      Indonesia Coal Industry in PANIC MODE - Closures imminent.  Note, Indonesia the number one coal exporter in the World.

      Canadian Coal exports out of British Columbia ]are down 40%http://www.worldcoal.com/...] from 2013.  And 2013 wasn't exactly a banner year for coal.

      UBS is already doing investor analysis for a surge of coal industry bankruptcies.  Walter Energy is one that is on everyone's radar to be near collapse because of how debt-leveraged they are.

      Красота спасет мир --F. Dostoevsky

      by Wisper on Fri Jun 20, 2014 at 10:27:42 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Thanks Wisper. I'm planning to substantially (3+ / 0-)

        increase my writing on renewable energy and against coal.

        Not only here, but I'm also applying to be a writer at Clean Technica and whereever else I can find interested outlets.

        Promoting renewable energy and sustainable living patterns is going to be one of my primary pursuits, I hope.  

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        by HoundDog on Fri Jun 20, 2014 at 11:08:33 AM PDT

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        •  Cleantechnica is a site I visit daily (2+ / 0-)
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          It would be great to see you over there, and hopefully writing about something other than Tesla Motors.  They've gone a bit overboard with their love of Elon Musk lately.

          Aside from coal, I also track net-metering, desalination technology, ambient carbon capture (an update on the Virgin Earth Challenge would be nice!), and fracking.

          Plus a lot of food policy stuff.

          I find this an adequate diversion from the daily "Guess what stupid thing this republican said today!" kind of political news shitfoxery.

          Though I will freely admit, well in advance, that all my policy watching will be out the window once we get into the full-swing of the 2016 campaign and I will revert to being a complete and utter political junkie.   ....and I'm fine with that.   ;-)

          Красота спасет мир --F. Dostoevsky

          by Wisper on Fri Jun 20, 2014 at 11:35:53 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  It's good to know who one is. (1+ / 0-)
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            Should we all break out into a group chorus of "I am who I am?"

            Part of my problem is my interests change and float around a lot.

            One of my fears is just when I land some cool gig writing on the transition to renewable energy and sustainable living, election time will come and like you I'll become obsessed with the elections.

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            by HoundDog on Fri Jun 20, 2014 at 05:17:44 PM PDT

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        •  i occasionally write for Solarfeeds (0+ / 0-)

          you may want to write for scott.

          He could use the original content.

  •  How does this effect ratepayers? (1+ / 0-)
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    Are the power utilities allowed to include the discontinued coal plants in determining the electric power rates, or the write down of these assets in setting what utilities charge customers?  

    In both of the above scenarios, power rates would be higher than they would be otherwise, as customers pay for these stranded costs as well as what other means of generating power replaces their production.

    I support, closing coal plants at an even faster pace than the new EPA rules require, I just want to better understand who gets hit with the higher costs for electricity or the stranded asset cost.

    The most important way to protect the environment is not to have more than one child.

    by nextstep on Fri Jun 20, 2014 at 10:50:00 AM PDT

    •  The article suggest that rate will go up by less (4+ / 0-)
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      than 2% but does not go into the details of how it is treating the capital investment in terms of the rate base.

      If it was an old plant it may have already been fully depreciated.

      But, I do not know how utilities calculate the "assets" for the "return on asset" proposals before rate commissions. Whether it is on the basis of the physical lifetime of the asset, or perhaps, the economic value using the discounted value of cash flow related to the closure of these plants?

      Rates for consumers are expected to increase between 0 and 2 percent under the plan.

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      by HoundDog on Fri Jun 20, 2014 at 11:14:37 AM PDT

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      •  Electric BILLS will go down (0+ / 0-)

        Hopefully Omaha PPD will be investing in customer energy efficiency. There is a boatload of low-hanging efficiency measures  in Nebraska.

         Electricity use per household could easily go down by 5% or more - so if RATES go up 2%, customers BILLS will still go down 3%.

        "Anyone who believes exponential growth can go on forever in a finite world is either a madman or an economist."

        by oregonj on Fri Jun 20, 2014 at 12:48:13 PM PDT

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        •  CLFs reduce energy by a quarter (0+ / 0-)

          too many houses have shitty insolation.

          The cost to run a computer is reducing. Computers are largely getting to the point where they have more than enough RAM, hard disk space, etc... the only matter at hand is shrinking the technology and making it more energy efficient.

  •  Really? (2+ / 0-)
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    Replaced with natural gas. Why does that not sound all that good to me? Hmm. Fracking comes to mind. oops.

    •  You have a valid point. Natural gas is generally (0+ / 0-)

      thought to be only about half as bad as coal in terms of carbon emissions/BTU, however those traditional numbers probably are for pure natural gas coming not taking into account the methane and other pollutants released during Fracking.

      My assumption has been our long-term goals are to get to 100% renewable energy generation, and in the mean time shutting down coal plants is such a priority that even substituting natural gas is an improvement, however, we need to check this assumption if the natural gas is coming from natural gas because my understanding is that the methane released is 25 times as bad for global warming as carbon dioxide.

      I'll check into this, thanks getzmore.

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      by HoundDog on Fri Jun 20, 2014 at 11:21:44 AM PDT

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    •  Tight gas is a problem, dome gas (0+ / 0-)

      isn't as bad.

  •  Of course it is low cost (0+ / 0-)

    The price of fracked gas is  now so much lower than coal that most utilities will switch fuels with no objection -- as long as we don't succeed in banning fracking.

  •  An earlier example (0+ / 0-)

    This used to be the largest coal fired electric generating plant in the world:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/...

    No more. It mostly used fracked gas although it can use oil as well. My asthmatic lungs very much appreciate it.

    Interestingly, it is owned by TransCanada, the very same company pushing the Keystone XL pipeline

  •  Wonderful news.....this is what states rights is.. (1+ / 0-)
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    all about, doing something, anything, to benefit as many people as possible.  State boundaries are only imaginary lines; this move has the potential to benefit many more people than live in the state of Nebraska....  

    WAY TO GO NEBRASKA!

    "A weed is a plant whose virtues have not yet been discovered." Ralph Waldo Emerson

    by Yo Bubba on Fri Jun 20, 2014 at 11:52:32 AM PDT

  •  replacing coal with natural gas. (0+ / 0-)

    Yea it is a start and a good one except all most that natural gas comes from fracking. The waste and water needs are limited in the west. The same may go for places in the east but have little info on water rights buying in the east.
    If you have ever seem a boiler, it can fire of many sources in a control system that feeds the proper fuel at the proper time. This can by used to switch from solar power to a natural gas source by the demand for electricity.
    The answer for the future is all the above while filter the old and dirtiest ways first.

    SUPER CONDUCTORS!!
     OH the USA should be pouring money to develop normal temperature ones. Also low temperature can make the plant out put easier to distribute locally to separate power lines. normal temperature Super conductor can make then take generated electrical power much easier to distribute to far away places.
    These can also be used to run a house with much less electricity. the unit could look like and Air conditioning Unit. During hurricanes and tornadoes if your house is still their the unit can be run on gas or nature gas bottles to supply the house with enough energy to save foods and power the house for a few days, Very handy.

    The future is 25 to 30 yrs away and would drop the load that needed to generated for the cities or sources needed.

       

    •   replacing coal with natural gas. (0+ / 0-)

      Second post
      Here are some links to learn more about them.

      Superconductors
      www.superconductors.org/
      Informative and well illustrated pages for a global view of superconductor field.
      ‎News - ‎Uses - ‎Type1 - ‎Type 2 Superconductors
      Superconductivity - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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      Wikipedia
      Most of the physical properties of superconductors vary from material to material, such as the heat capacity and the critical temperature, critical field, and critical ...
      ‎Meissner effect - ‎High-temperature - ‎Cooper pair - ‎BCS theory
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      News for super conductors

      Identifying high-temperature superconductors
      Electronics Weekly.com ‎- by Alun Williams ‎- 7 hours ago
      Key to conventional superconductors are the interactions of electrons with the lattice structure of the material. These interactions generate a ...

          Superconducting secrets solved after 30 years
          R & D Magazine‎ - 4 days ago
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          Phys.Org‎ - 1 day ago

    •  yeah.. and the cold fusion plant!!! (0+ / 0-)
  •  Lee Terry, a man with two first names (0+ / 0-)

    and zero for an IQ.  The voters in Nebraska might just give him some time to think about all of this at home.

  •  That's the thing about Climate Change (0+ / 0-)

    The "Too Expensive" charge is essentially bogus.

    There is a LOT of stuff we need to do anyway, and if we've got to spend the money some time, spending it in a way that does something about Climate Change isn't really that much more expensive.

    And that's without counting the cost from the status quo.

    "No special skill, no standard attitude, no technology, and no organization - no matter how valuable - can safely replace thought itself."

    by xaxnar on Fri Jun 20, 2014 at 05:41:49 PM PDT

    •  it's too expensive to do all at once (0+ / 0-)

      spreading a trillion(I pulled this number out of my ass) dollar green initiative over 30 years comes much more manageable.

      •  Who said anything about all at once? (0+ / 0-)

        But really - it would be good if we did get cranking. The way the economy is working now is, most corporations are doing pretty well, the stock market is ticking along, but jobs are just not being created so workers have no leverage with employers.

        And if you're an oligarch, that's darn near ideal. No inflation means your wealth can just sit there, no jobs means you can shaft your workforce because what are they going to do, and you can spend your money buying politicians for the laws you want AND keep people from expecting the government to do anything for them. Sweet!

        The expensive argument doesn't really hold up when you look at the size of the private sector compared to the Federal government's budget. Those guys are sitting on trillions, and a lot of it is parked not doing anything, because the people in control of it want maximum ROI. We had a crash in 2008 because they figured they'd ride a housing bubble. Oops!

        There's a lot of money still out there; it's just not being used for the public sector the way it used to. Public investment versus private investment is way down and that's why things are falling apart. Those "job-killing high taxes" you hear conservatives complain about used to be a lot more progressive, and we got jobs, services, and infrastructure out of it. That money didn't get hoovered up by the government and burned - it got sent back out into the economy where it could benefit everyone, not just CEOs and shareholders.

        Put it another way, when you hear companies are spending billions on buy-outs and mergers, that's ultimately going to do little to nothing for the rest of us - but it will make a handful of people a lot wealthier.

        The "too expensive" argument is all about cutting taxes and government - and it's killing us. With higher taxes on that idle money, we'd be creating jobs and growing the economy. Public investment benefits everybody.

        And if we don't start spending to really deal with Climate Change, it really is going to kill us.

        "No special skill, no standard attitude, no technology, and no organization - no matter how valuable - can safely replace thought itself."

        by xaxnar on Sat Jun 21, 2014 at 05:12:16 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  I see good and bad in this. (0+ / 0-)

    Good that they're getting rid of outdated sources of energy that poison the environment. Though I suspect the reason they're doing it is the same reason Wall Street became interested in power plants--close them, then fuck over all the people who live there by doubling their already overpriced energy bills.

    •  hasn't that really been the objective (0+ / 0-)

      of the environment movement for the last 10-15 years. if you can't lower the cost of green energy enough to make it economical then create conditions that raise the cost of fossil fuels to make them too expensive? I feel like you're really putting business in an catch-22. if they lower prices with coal then they are evil, if they raise prices by going to cleaner energy and profit then they are evil. Head, I win. Tails, you lose.

      •  I understand what you're saying. (0+ / 0-)

        But I also know Wall Street is just aching to start up another Enron type mess--where they purposely double, triple, quadruple prices by reducing the amount of available power.

        I'm absolutely behind green energy and I care and believe in global warming. But I also don't want to see it used as an excuse to purposely fuck millions of people over the way Enron did.

    •  Nebraska power plants are all publically owned. (1+ / 0-)
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      Nebraska has the distinction of being the only state in the contiguous U.S. where all electric service comes from publicly owned utilities. Nebraska has 167 different publically owned utilities. There are no stockholders, and thus no profit motive. Electric prices do not include a profit.

      •  Thats the way it should be. (0+ / 0-)

        If i scrolled down more and saw this i wouldn't have defended my op and abandoned my position. I just didn't want to see someone try to use it as a reason to gouge people like the private sector sometimes does.

        Thanks for your post.

  •  "... the goals of..." (0+ / 0-)

    "...the goals of President Obama's recently announced proposed goals..."

    The goals of his goals?

    There's also "... point out that not only did we will get a vast reduction..."

  •  "Nitrogen" and "sulfur oxide" need clarifying (0+ / 0-)

    When you say nitrogen emissions will be reduced, that's like saying Air emissions will be reduced. Nitrogen is non-toxic, and not the problem. It is Nitrogen oxides (nitric oxide, NO, and nitrogen dioxide, NO2) that are the huge problem. N20 (nitrous oxide, also called "laughing gas", is a third nitrogen oxides pollutant and extremely potent greenhouse gas, but derives mainly from nitrogen-containing fertilizers).
      Sulfur oxide in also chemically incorrect, and meaningless. It is Sulfur oxides (plural) that has real meaning. There is no chemical or pollutant called sulfur oxide.
      It is mainly sulfur dioxide (SO2) that is emitted, which goes on to chemically react with oxygen to form sulfur trioxide (SO3), which combines with water in the atmosphere to form sulfuric acid (H2SO4)...like in the atmosphere of Venus. So, the correct term would be, Sulfur oxides (plural).

  •  no coal (0+ / 0-)

    If it isn't renewable energy, it is not for the common good, in fact, the power industry can go the the way of the dinosaurs and each home can be its own power plant and manager by using renewable energy and not pay some 'drag on our asses power plants' insufferably over charging us as 'they' mandate.

    NEVER EVER FORGET THE ENRON debacle.

  •  OK. So Nebraska took a step (0+ / 0-)

    Good for Nebraska.

    BUT
    This is, at best a stopgap measure.  So no, I don't see this glass as half full.  Because it isn't.

    Already, communities are being disrupted due to fracking.  Children's health suffers worst.  Old people are next.  Those who can afford to, move away - - but not everyone is so fortunate.

    And, just like all other fossil fuels, gas pollutes.  Not as badly as oil and coal, to be sure.  But it's not clean.

    Eventually Nebraska will wake up, stick a finger in the air and exclaim, "Why didn't anyone tell us it was windy out here?"  But then there will be delay after delay, excuse after excuse, because the gas infrastructure will have to be scrapped and the wind grid built.  

    I wonder what would happen if Nebraska took the step it really needs to take?  Of course, they'd have to cut their ties with the oil barons who, after all, also own the gas fields.

    And that, right there, is why Nebraska is refusing to use the resources it has in abundance.  Gee.  What a surprise.

    The price of apathy is to be ruled by evil men - - Plato . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . We must be the change we wish to see in the world - - Mohandas Gandhi

    by twocrows1023 on Sun Jun 22, 2014 at 02:57:15 PM PDT

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